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borislvinMorning press briefing from 10 July 2007
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Asked if there had been a reaction to the formal announcement by Russia that Mr. Lugovoy would not be extradited, the PMS said that our position was that Russia's refusal to extradite Mr. Lugovoy was extremely disappointing. We deeply regretted that Russia had failed to show the necessary level of co-operation in this matter. The Director of Public Prosecution had carefully considered Russia's offer of a trial under Russian law, but concluded that this was unacceptable. This was a crime that was committed in London, the evidence and the witnesses were in the UK, and we did not have full confidence that a trial in Moscow would meet the standards of impartiality and fairness that would be deemed necessary. Therefore, we remained convinced that Mr. Lugovoy should answer the evidential case against him in a British court. In terms of next steps, at the moment we were reviewing the situation and considering what further steps we could take, but in our view, this response was extremely disappointing and we considered it a serious matter.
Asked if there was anything further that could be done, the PMS replied that we were considering all of the options on this, so it was best to wait for a more formal response from the FCO.
Asked if there had been discussions today with the Embassy, the PMS said that he was not aware of specifics.
Asked if there were any future talks planned between the Prime Minister and President Putin, the PMS replied that clearly, there was contact with the Russian Government at a number of levels.
Put that this issue that the Prime Minister had inherited could become a diplomatic obstacle, the PMS replied that it was a serious issue. Russia was an important partner on many issues and we continued to seek a constructive relationship with them. However, given their refusal to co-operate on this matter, we needed to carefully consider our co-operation on a range of issues.
Asked if the Prime Minister took his predecessor's assessment that this kind of behaviour by Russia could impact on Western and British investment, the PMS replied that Russia had to accept that they had responsibilities as well. We did continue to seek a constructive relationship with Russia, but this was a serious matter, and we had to consider a range of options.
Asked if it would impact on British business investment, the PMS said again that we were considering our options.
Asked what the range of options were, the PMS said that it was best to wait for a response from the FCO.
http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page12409.asp
Afternoon press briefing from 10 July 2007
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Asked if there was any response to the Russians saying they were not going to extradite Lugovoy, the PMS replied that we made our position very clear on that this morning.
Put that we had said this morning that we would "pursue the options", and asked what the options were, the PMS replied that it would not be appropriate to start discussing what the options were. Once the Foreign Office had given proper consideration of what they were, they would then respond accordingly.
Put that the Russians have said that legally there are no further options as it was against their constitution, and asked if we were talking sanctions or appeals for example, the PMS replied that it was best if the Foreign Office considered an appropriate response to this very serious matter, and announced it in the proper way.
Put that this morning we were saying that we were considering our cooperation with the Russians, and asked if this was the area that we were looking at, the PMS replied that we were reviewing the extent of our cooperation with the Russians on a number of issues.
Asked if we did not need the Russians cooperation on a number of issues such as Iran, the PMS replied that Russia was an important partner on many issues, and we do seek a constructive relationship. But this was a very serious crime, committed against a UK citizen on British soil. We think it is right that Mr Lugovoy should answer the evidential case against him in a British court.
Asked what we say to the Russians who claim they have not been presented with any evidence, the PMS replied that they had been presented the file by the CPS.
http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page12415.asp
Morning press briefing from 11 July 2007
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Asked if there was anything further on Lugovoy case, the PMS no.
http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page12425.asp
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Asked if there had been a reaction to the formal announcement by Russia that Mr. Lugovoy would not be extradited, the PMS said that our position was that Russia's refusal to extradite Mr. Lugovoy was extremely disappointing. We deeply regretted that Russia had failed to show the necessary level of co-operation in this matter. The Director of Public Prosecution had carefully considered Russia's offer of a trial under Russian law, but concluded that this was unacceptable. This was a crime that was committed in London, the evidence and the witnesses were in the UK, and we did not have full confidence that a trial in Moscow would meet the standards of impartiality and fairness that would be deemed necessary. Therefore, we remained convinced that Mr. Lugovoy should answer the evidential case against him in a British court. In terms of next steps, at the moment we were reviewing the situation and considering what further steps we could take, but in our view, this response was extremely disappointing and we considered it a serious matter.
Asked if there was anything further that could be done, the PMS replied that we were considering all of the options on this, so it was best to wait for a more formal response from the FCO.
Asked if there had been discussions today with the Embassy, the PMS said that he was not aware of specifics.
Asked if there were any future talks planned between the Prime Minister and President Putin, the PMS replied that clearly, there was contact with the Russian Government at a number of levels.
Put that this issue that the Prime Minister had inherited could become a diplomatic obstacle, the PMS replied that it was a serious issue. Russia was an important partner on many issues and we continued to seek a constructive relationship with them. However, given their refusal to co-operate on this matter, we needed to carefully consider our co-operation on a range of issues.
Asked if the Prime Minister took his predecessor's assessment that this kind of behaviour by Russia could impact on Western and British investment, the PMS replied that Russia had to accept that they had responsibilities as well. We did continue to seek a constructive relationship with Russia, but this was a serious matter, and we had to consider a range of options.
Asked if it would impact on British business investment, the PMS said again that we were considering our options.
Asked what the range of options were, the PMS said that it was best to wait for a response from the FCO.
http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page12409.asp
Afternoon press briefing from 10 July 2007
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Asked if there was any response to the Russians saying they were not going to extradite Lugovoy, the PMS replied that we made our position very clear on that this morning.
Put that we had said this morning that we would "pursue the options", and asked what the options were, the PMS replied that it would not be appropriate to start discussing what the options were. Once the Foreign Office had given proper consideration of what they were, they would then respond accordingly.
Put that the Russians have said that legally there are no further options as it was against their constitution, and asked if we were talking sanctions or appeals for example, the PMS replied that it was best if the Foreign Office considered an appropriate response to this very serious matter, and announced it in the proper way.
Put that this morning we were saying that we were considering our cooperation with the Russians, and asked if this was the area that we were looking at, the PMS replied that we were reviewing the extent of our cooperation with the Russians on a number of issues.
Asked if we did not need the Russians cooperation on a number of issues such as Iran, the PMS replied that Russia was an important partner on many issues, and we do seek a constructive relationship. But this was a very serious crime, committed against a UK citizen on British soil. We think it is right that Mr Lugovoy should answer the evidential case against him in a British court.
Asked what we say to the Russians who claim they have not been presented with any evidence, the PMS replied that they had been presented the file by the CPS.
http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page12415.asp
Morning press briefing from 11 July 2007
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Asked if there was anything further on Lugovoy case, the PMS no.
http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page12425.asp
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Date: 2007-07-11 11:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-07-12 12:22 am (UTC)источник - один из знакомых английских журналистов, сейчас в москве работает. звонит: надо выпить, а то ведь вышлют, когда еще свидимся:(
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Date: 2007-07-12 12:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-07-12 02:31 pm (UTC)http://valchess.livejournal.com/94321.html?thread=1090673#t1090673
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Date: 2007-07-12 04:14 pm (UTC)Я нерегулярный читатель Таймс, но ведь это газета Мэрдока, правда? У нас тут с ужасом ждут, когда он Wall Street Journal купит.
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Date: 2007-07-12 06:23 pm (UTC)Моя мысль, собственно, сводится к тому, что крепость "формально-юридической позиции" в данной ситуации на самом деле весьма относительна. Особенно за пределами России. И я не согласен, что это "публицистика". Это вполне себе реальность. Ибо преступление было совершено такое, что формальными отговорками, да еще сопровождаемым каким-то абсурдистским торжеством, его не нивелируешь. Да, в ближайшей перспективе Западу (я бы сказал, западному обществу) "прицепиться трудно". Но если это и победа России (над кем?), то пирровая.
Я нерегулярный читатель Таймс, но ведь это газета Мэрдока, правда? У нас тут с ужасом ждут, когда он Wall Street Journal купит.
К Таймс могут быть претензии в некотором dumbing down, но, кажется, что это глобальный процесс, мало зависящий от собственника. В целом, по моему впечатлению, Мэрдок распоряжается своими английскими СМИ достаточно тонко. Таблоиды его (Sun, The news of the world) - да, погрубее. Times при всей ее редакционной линии на поддержку лейбористского правительства, остается вполне сбалансированной газетой. А телеканал Sky News предлагает наиболее, пожалуй, непредвзятые новости и политические программы на британском рынке. Говорят, что в Америке не так...
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Date: 2007-07-12 07:59 pm (UTC)http://bbb.livejournal.com/1800945.html
В нем отсутствует правовая оценка обвинения против Лугового. Мало сказать: не выдадим, потому что Конституция не велит. Либо прокуратура считает обвинения основательными, либо нет. Это очень важно безотносительно к решению вопроса о выдаче. В Европейской конвенции (статья 12) сказано, что к запросу об экстрадиции прилагается обвинительное заключение, попросту говоря - indictment. Не знаю, как в Англии, а у нас на основании этой бумаги большое жюри принимает решение о привлечении или непривлечении обвиняемого к уголовной ответственности. Грубо гоаоря, взвешивает убедительность собранных доказательств, заслушивает прения сторон, допрашивает, если надо, свидетелей, etc. Что мешает Генпрокуратуре сделать то же самое, а потом развести руками - дескать, гад, конечно, этот Луговой, но против Конституции не попрешь? Или сказать: а пришлите-ка нам все дело (параграф 2 статья 6 конвенции). По сути, ГП не ответила ничего на британский запрос, потому что про 61-ю статью Конституции она сказала, еще не читая и даже еще не получив запроса.
Поэтому мне кажется, что Лондон несколько поторопился с политическими заявлениями. Он должен был обратиться к ГП РФ с просьбой о разъяснениях. Вот и вся история. На данный момент.
Ну, про американскую прессу это долгий разговор. Как-нибудь при случае. Случай, подобный Гиллигану, я вспоминаю - Дэн Разер, поддельная бумага о воинской службе Буша. Ушел, хотя выходное пособие получил такое, какое Буш за все годы президентства не получил. Про Таймс я тоже говорить подробно не готов, хотя все-таки есть ощущение какого-то размывания устоев, про таблоиды британские еще Ивлин Во все написал, с тех пор они стали только гаже, а вот, скажем, Гардиан, на основании статьи в которой ГП возбудила дело против БАБа - это пардон. Одно дело БАБ у Гардиан выиграл, интервью его они переврали (я слушал запись, сравнивал с текстом). По этой причине (см. этот же блог Бориса) британские власти отказались возбуждать дело против БАБа. Но после Гардиан была еще Financial Times.
http://vlad-ab.livejournal.com/13332.html
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Date: 2007-07-12 08:21 pm (UTC)<...> we had to consider any likely defences to any charges. In the case of Mr Berezovsky, we decided it would not be possible for us to disprove a likely defence that <...>
Ситуация с нашей прокуратурой - абсолютно такая же. Какие бы аргументы ни были против Лугового, очевидно, что любой русский суд блокирует его выдачу на конституционных основаниях, что заведомо делает любые попытки русской прокуратуры такую выдачу осуществить - бесполезными.
Другое дело, конечно, что на сегодняшний день пинг-понг между Березовским и русской прокуратурой выигрывает Березовский. Он играет в открытую - публикует стенограмму своего допроса (плюс допроса Закаева). Симметричным ответом была бы публикация русской прокуратурой материалов, присланных их лондонскими коллегами. Факт отсутствия такой публикации, конечно, наводит на мысль о том, что эти материалы для Лугового и его друзей не слишком благоприятны...
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