фашизм на марше - 2
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borislvinImagine a society in which a citizen must petition the government for permission to meet with his fellow citizens. Imagine further that such requests must be made at least three days in advance of the requested meeting, and that the government has unbridled discretion to determine who may meet with whom, and about what they might speak. Such extreme preconditions to speech might not be out of place in Oceania, the fictional dystopian superstate in George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution, however, ensures that preconditions like these have no place in the United States of America.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-files-statement-interest-supporting-campus-free-speech
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1224571/download
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-files-statement-interest-supporting-campus-free-speech
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1224571/download
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Date: 2019-12-10 10:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-12-11 07:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-12-11 08:44 pm (UTC)Mr. Brown’s first run-in with the JCJC police occurred in February 2019, when Mr. Brown and a former JCJC student, Mitch Strider, sought to speak with JCJC students about YAL’s mission in an effort to recruit new student members. They brought an oversized beach ball, which they referred to as a “free speech ball,” to Centennial Plaza, JCJC’s open central quadrangle. On the quadrangle, they invited passing students to write messages on the free speech ball, engaged them about YAL’s issues, and encouraged them to sign up for the YAL chapter. Mr. Brown and Mr. Strider then moved the free speech ball to a grassy area of the quadrangle next to the Administration Building. None of their activities impeded traffic or building access, or in any other way disrupted JCJC’s operations.
While Mr. Brown and Mr. Strider were at the grassy area, a JCJC staff member approached and asked them “if they had obtained permission to be on campus and whether they had spoken with JCJC Dean of Students Mark Easley about their expressive activity.” Dean Easley arrived soon afterwards and “informed Brown and Strider that they were not permitted to be present on campus with the free speech ball because they had not followed JCJC’s policies to gain administrative approval for the activity.”
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Date: 2019-12-11 11:25 pm (UTC)But, assuming that the administration does need to explain their decision, I do not quite see a policy requiring prior notice and permission from a public institution of any planned (i.e., non spontaneous) gathering on a public property (even in a grassy area) as unreasonable, much less a "фашизм на марше".
Of course, withholding such permission because of the content of the speech (as opposed to multiple legitimate reasons) does violate 1st Amendment and could indeed be construed as "фашизм на марше", but even that would be a bit over the top.
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Date: 2019-12-12 01:02 am (UTC)The “Assemblies Regulations” in JCJC’s Student Activity Policies provide in part that “[a]ny student parade, serenade, demonstration, rally, and/or other meeting or gathering for any purpose, conducted on the campus of the institution must be scheduled with the President or Vice President of Student Affairs at least 72 hours in advance of the event.” The Assemblies Regulations provide no standards to be applied by the President or Vice President in determining whether to schedule meetings and gatherings. In fact, the Scheduling and Planning section of the Student Activity Policies states that “[t]he Vice President of Student Affairs reserves the right to schedule or not schedule any activity.”
Эти цитаты, как легко выяснить, соответствуют действительности - см. http://www.jcjc.edu/studentpolicies/docs/studenthandbook.pdf
Но вы, думаю, не вполне уловили смысл моего постинга (а также сарказм заголовока). Смысл этот никак не связан с обстоятельствами данного конкретного колледжа и нисколько не изменится даже в том случае, если колледжовым начальникам удастся отбрехаться в суде.
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Date: 2019-12-12 06:45 am (UTC)То, что смысл постинга не никак не связан с обстоятельствами данного конкретного колледжа тоже довольно понятно. Поэтому он меня и заинтересовал.
Я просто пытался понять в чем вы видете проблему. Если вы ее видете в "без объяснения причин", то точно зря - такой проблемы, похоже, нет. Вы просто читали невнимательно. А если проблема в "reserves the right to schedule or not schedule any activity", то с практической точки зрения такого рода ограничения мне представляются незбежными. Но это, возможно, вопрос спорный.
Ну, а если вы просто хотели посмеяться над напыщенностью "той самой бумаги" и тенденцией без всякой необходимости использовать 1984 в судебных документах - тут я с вами полностью согласен
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Date: 2019-12-12 06:52 am (UTC)Не говоря уже о том, что, как прекрасно известно, отказы университетских администраций в проведении каких-либо выступлений, встреч и т.д. обычно (или просто всегда) так и обосновываются - соображениями безопасности. Мол, кто-нибудь может возмутиться, прийти протестовать, начнутся беспорядки, артиллерия ударит, стекла вылетят повсюду и никто ругать не будет за разбитое окно.
Цель же моя была, естественно, порадоваться той самой бумаге и тому. что там очень правильно и уместно используется 1984. Ну и посмеяться над теми, кто etc.