Неправильная шведская наука
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borislvinВредные шведские советы - https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19
В частности:
How is COVID-19 transmitted?
The coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) causing COVID-19 is mainly transmitted between people via respiratory droplets or secretions from the respiratory tract. Transmission via droplets happens when an infected person coughs or sneezes and the droplets reach mucous tissue in someone's eyes, nose, or mouth. The droplets fall to the ground within approximately one meter (3 ft) from the source.
The virus can be transmitted via contaminated surfaces, so-called indirect contact transmission, but the risk of getting infected via contaminated surfaces is considered to be very low. There are no indications that anyone has been infected with the new coronavirus from touching contaminated surfaces or items.
Can COVID-19 be transmitted from a person who is infected but does not experience any symptoms?
The coronavirus causing COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) is mainly transmitted person-to-person via respiratory droplets. This means that the virus reaches the inside of your eyes, nose or mouth from droplets that are dispersed in the air when someone sneezes or coughs. The droplets fall to the ground within approximately one meter (3 ft) from the source.
There are reports of transmission of COVID-19 from people without any symptoms of illness. However, only a few studies describe the role of this type of transmission in relation to the overall spread of COVID-19 in the community. Based on the available knowledge about COVID-19 and similar diseases, the current understanding is that this route of transmission represents a minor part.
Do I need to clean my house or handle household waste in any particular way?
In a household where someone is ill with COVID-19 it is enough to clean as usual, using products available in supermarkets. Household waste, including paper tissues from infected persons, can be disposed of in your normal way.
What is your advice regarding face masks?
We do not currently recommend face masks in public settings since the scientific evidence around the effectiveness of face masks in combatting the spread of infection is unclear. However, there may be situations where face masks can be useful despite the uncertain state of knowledge about the effects.
Why are countries acting differently over face masks?
The scientific evidence around the effectiveness of face masks in combatting the spread of infection is weak, which is why different countries have arrived at different recommendations.
Some countries have chosen to view face masks as a form of security and hope that universal use of face masks will reduce the risk of infection spreading from people who are in the incubation period, before the symptoms are apparent, or who have such mild or unspecific symptoms that they do not consider themselves ill.
The Public Health Agency of Sweden does not recommend the general use of face masks, as a face mask that itches or slips down below the nose may mean a person is regularly touching their mouth, eyes or nose with their hands, which can increase the risk of the infection spreading.
Use of a facemask may also encourage people with mild symptoms to go out into the community, which might increase the spread of infection.
If one person in a family is ill, does the whole family need to stay at home?
No, as long as siblings or other members of the family do not show symptoms of disease they can go to school, preschool or their workplace. In families where one or more people are ill, it is very important to be alert to any signs of illness.
Why are universities and colleges only offering distance learning?
As of 15 June 2020 the recommendation ends for upper secondary schools, colleges, universities, and other institutions of higher education or adult learning to provide distance education rather than classes on their premises.
The reason is that children and youth to a limited extent have been diagnosed with COVID-19 and few have been in need of intensive care. In the light of current knowledge upper secondary schools, colleges, universities, and other institutions of higher education or adult learning may resume classes on their premises.
I’ve tested positive for antibodies. What are the implications?
For anyone who has no symptoms, the presence of IgG antibodies means they are less at risk of being infected and thus, there is less of a risk that they will pass on the infection to other people.
If you have no symptoms, a positive test result allows you greater opportunities to socialise with other people, even if you are in an at-risk group or are aged 70 or over. In the first place, this could mean socialising with people you are close to, such as friends and family, both indoors and outside.
Why are schools and pre-schools not closed in Sweden?
The Public Health Agency does not currently consider it necessary to close all schools in Sweden. There are no scientific evidence indicating that such an intervention would have any significant impact on the pandemic, nor has any major transmission of COVID-19 in schools been reported.
Closing schools and pre-schools would have a negative impact on society. For example, essential workers to the public (e.g. healthcare staff) would need to stay at home with their children. It could also put vulnerable groups, such as grandparents, at risk if they help out with childcare.
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Результаты следования вредным советам неправильной науки обнаруживаются здесь - https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
В частности, там можно увидеть такие картинки:
Динамика численности вновь выявленных инфицированных
Динамика новых поступлений с коронавирусом в отделения интенсивной терапии
Динамика смертности от коронавируса
В частности:
How is COVID-19 transmitted?
The coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) causing COVID-19 is mainly transmitted between people via respiratory droplets or secretions from the respiratory tract. Transmission via droplets happens when an infected person coughs or sneezes and the droplets reach mucous tissue in someone's eyes, nose, or mouth. The droplets fall to the ground within approximately one meter (3 ft) from the source.
The virus can be transmitted via contaminated surfaces, so-called indirect contact transmission, but the risk of getting infected via contaminated surfaces is considered to be very low. There are no indications that anyone has been infected with the new coronavirus from touching contaminated surfaces or items.
Can COVID-19 be transmitted from a person who is infected but does not experience any symptoms?
The coronavirus causing COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) is mainly transmitted person-to-person via respiratory droplets. This means that the virus reaches the inside of your eyes, nose or mouth from droplets that are dispersed in the air when someone sneezes or coughs. The droplets fall to the ground within approximately one meter (3 ft) from the source.
There are reports of transmission of COVID-19 from people without any symptoms of illness. However, only a few studies describe the role of this type of transmission in relation to the overall spread of COVID-19 in the community. Based on the available knowledge about COVID-19 and similar diseases, the current understanding is that this route of transmission represents a minor part.
Do I need to clean my house or handle household waste in any particular way?
In a household where someone is ill with COVID-19 it is enough to clean as usual, using products available in supermarkets. Household waste, including paper tissues from infected persons, can be disposed of in your normal way.
What is your advice regarding face masks?
We do not currently recommend face masks in public settings since the scientific evidence around the effectiveness of face masks in combatting the spread of infection is unclear. However, there may be situations where face masks can be useful despite the uncertain state of knowledge about the effects.
Why are countries acting differently over face masks?
The scientific evidence around the effectiveness of face masks in combatting the spread of infection is weak, which is why different countries have arrived at different recommendations.
Some countries have chosen to view face masks as a form of security and hope that universal use of face masks will reduce the risk of infection spreading from people who are in the incubation period, before the symptoms are apparent, or who have such mild or unspecific symptoms that they do not consider themselves ill.
The Public Health Agency of Sweden does not recommend the general use of face masks, as a face mask that itches or slips down below the nose may mean a person is regularly touching their mouth, eyes or nose with their hands, which can increase the risk of the infection spreading.
Use of a facemask may also encourage people with mild symptoms to go out into the community, which might increase the spread of infection.
If one person in a family is ill, does the whole family need to stay at home?
No, as long as siblings or other members of the family do not show symptoms of disease they can go to school, preschool or their workplace. In families where one or more people are ill, it is very important to be alert to any signs of illness.
Why are universities and colleges only offering distance learning?
As of 15 June 2020 the recommendation ends for upper secondary schools, colleges, universities, and other institutions of higher education or adult learning to provide distance education rather than classes on their premises.
The reason is that children and youth to a limited extent have been diagnosed with COVID-19 and few have been in need of intensive care. In the light of current knowledge upper secondary schools, colleges, universities, and other institutions of higher education or adult learning may resume classes on their premises.
I’ve tested positive for antibodies. What are the implications?
For anyone who has no symptoms, the presence of IgG antibodies means they are less at risk of being infected and thus, there is less of a risk that they will pass on the infection to other people.
If you have no symptoms, a positive test result allows you greater opportunities to socialise with other people, even if you are in an at-risk group or are aged 70 or over. In the first place, this could mean socialising with people you are close to, such as friends and family, both indoors and outside.
Why are schools and pre-schools not closed in Sweden?
The Public Health Agency does not currently consider it necessary to close all schools in Sweden. There are no scientific evidence indicating that such an intervention would have any significant impact on the pandemic, nor has any major transmission of COVID-19 in schools been reported.
Closing schools and pre-schools would have a negative impact on society. For example, essential workers to the public (e.g. healthcare staff) would need to stay at home with their children. It could also put vulnerable groups, such as grandparents, at risk if they help out with childcare.
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Результаты следования вредным советам неправильной науки обнаруживаются здесь - https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
В частности, там можно увидеть такие картинки:
Динамика численности вновь выявленных инфицированных
Динамика новых поступлений с коронавирусом в отделения интенсивной терапии
Динамика смертности от коронавируса
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Date: 2020-08-21 02:34 am (UTC)однако меня ваш пост не то что возмутил но разочаровал.
сказать четко пока ничего нельзя. выводы делать которые вы делаете : рано.
рассуждения о том "как тестируют" требуют гораздо большей осведомленности о том как, а не догадок "родители беспокоятся".
может немного прояснится все это, а может не на моей жизни, но я не могу, простите уж, не обращать внимание на подобные выкладки с выводами, основанные на чем? не совсем на дурных дата, но и не на чистых.
оставим америку в покое, она большая и довольно непонятная, ковидонепонятная.
даже ваш один пример: норвегия где умерших намного больше чем в швеции. жто просто факт. и факт что страны похожи как близнецы этнически и культурно.
это: факты.
далее не факты а домыслы.
1. одни сказали что швеция напаевала на локдаун, а норвегия нет. и поэтому в швеции жертв настолько больше.
2. другие (вы): что и в норвегии и швеции были похожие, сравнимые меры. а результаты разные. почему? не знаете.
я не верю ни вам ни вашим оппонентам. я не верю что есть настоящие оценки локдаунов, не верю что есть оценки их регионалпьного соб;пдения, не верю что меры были похожи ли не похожи в норвегии и швеции. не знаю и не верю.
если поверить вам, то как вы объясните серьезное различие в смертности ? я не объясняю я не знаю.
АПА не заинтересованы в нагнетании, наоборот, но вы их побеюали и обвинили в этом.
я не заинтересована в панике, но вы не верите мне и утверждает что дети выпавшие скажюем из окон и дети умершие от ковида на фоне об1ей статистики не отличаются.
почему вы считаете что знаете как людей тестируют? и где? и детей?
откуда у вас эти знания? откуда догадки?
право. нельзя так. есть факты. перед фактами мы все сколоняем колено
как каеюерник перед гимном.а есть домыслы, догадки, теории.
ваши домыслы и факты никак не совпадают. а у меня или у Хахама домыслов нет. потому что оченп0 мало фактов. да и те не все надежные.
хотите я вам доложу про тестирование в моем штате? пожалуй не стоит. вы похоже не хотите слышать ничего против ваших теорий., а мои факты про тестирование вашим теориям ну никак не в лад.
хотите я вам доложу про увеличение числа больных детей, совсем маленьких тоже, в интенсивке, в последние полтора месяца? в моей детской больнице?
пожалуй не стоит, вы не хотите, вам шведы сказали что дети редко болеют тяжело. где я а где шведы.
статистика как это? она битч. ложится под каждого как он ей скажет.
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Date: 2020-08-21 03:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-08-21 03:36 am (UTC)Просто поясню, что вы, будучи медиком, просто по определению сталкиваетесь прежде всего с теми, кто не просто заразился, но еще и заболел. С теми, кто прошел тестирование, показал положительный результат, но никаких симптомов не демонстрирует, вы, скорее всего, пересекаетесь намного меньше. Тем более вы не пересекаетесь с теми, кто ведет своих детей на тестирование и получает отрицательные результаты. Поэтому ваши личные впечатления от встреч с больными никак нельзя экстраполировать на все общество.
Ваш скептитизм в отношении медицинской статистики мне понятен и я его разделяю. Именно поэтому мне кажется более убедительной статистика не медицинская, а демографическая. Прежде всего - динамика дополнительной смертности. В США и странах Европы это данные очень высокой степени надежности, потому что учет смертности в них поставлен очень жестко. Может быть неясность с определением медицинских причин смерти, но сам факт смерти учитывается однозначно.
В любом случае у меня сложилось ощущение, что вы не готовы вникать в мои аргументы, а все время пытаетесь вычитать в моих словах какое-то личное отношение к чему-то там. Мне это совершенно не интересно. Так что давайте завершим этот разговор.
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Date: 2020-08-21 07:04 am (UTC)Did the administration of your workplace push doctors to administer ventilators to patients (to get paid more money for more deads) in spite of the published peer-reviewed articles about the inefficiency and deadly results from ventilators for COVID patients?
Or they pushed only expensive unnecessary analyses and procedures, as you told us one day in the past?
BTW, as a medic, can you answer one simple question: let us consider two absolutely equal groups of peoples (by any and all criterion). One group has been put in lockdown with occasional contacts and the second group does not have any restrictions for contact. If there is the same number of the same people with the virus in both groups what will be the difference in the lethality?
Совесть то поимейте!